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The Divine Blueprint: Science for the Ages

Description. "The heavens proclaim the glory of God. The skies display his craftsmanship" (Psalm 19:1).

 

An approach to science and the philosophy of science that accords with reality and the Divine.

Also shows the inadequacy of current science in the face of miracles, such as the scientifically challenging Shroud of Turin whose multi-facetted complexities are demanding nothing less than a complete re-shaping of modern science.

"On the Shroud we have found the words ‘Jesus of Nazareth’." Dr. Barbara Frale.



Messenger of Saint Anthony
New Light on the Shroud An interview with Dr. Barbara Frale, the young historian whose discoveries on the linen cloth kept in Turin are revolutionising the way we see one of Christendom’s most sacred relics Renzo Allegri “AS A PROFESSIONAL historian I have been studying the Shroud of Turn for a number of years. I have analysed and scrutinised in a most meticulous manner troves of ancient documents, especially the ones that have surfaced recently, and I have come to the conclusion that the Shroud dates from the first century of our era. In actual fact there is a great deal of evidence that suggests that the Shroud originated in the first thirty years of that century.” These words were spoken by Dr. Barbara Frale, a young and promising historian, who has become an authority on the Knights Templar and the Shroud. “I know practically every facet of all the scientific examinations conducted on the Shroud in the last 20 years, including the famous Carbon-14 test which was used to proclaim to the world that the relic was nothing but a medieval forgery. I have also studied carefully the claims of those who have tried to reproduce a similar relic in their laboratories using the same means and equipment that a medieval scientist had at his disposal. They claim that the Shroud could easily have been produced in a medieval laboratory. I can confirm to you and your readers that these claims are outdated. The latest discoveries on the relic turn the tables on these sceptics, and reaffirm what tradition has always maintained, that is, that the famous linen cloth kept in Turin really did cover the body of a man who lived at the beginning of our era.” Barbara Frale has committed her findings to a bulky, 392-page volume called La Sindone di Gesù Nazareno, which was recently published in Italy and which we hope will soon be translated into English. Frale’s other great passion is the Knights Templar, and she has authored various publication on this mysterious Order of Christian warrior-monks which was brutally suppressed in the early 14th century. One of her writings on the Templars was published in English last year with the title The Templars: The Secret History Revealed. Year of the Shroud The Shroud is again in the news. We are, in fact, on the eve of a great event. From April 10 to May 23 there will be a solemn exposition of the relic at the Cathedral of Turin, where it has been kept since 1578. This is the ninth time it will be exhibited in over a century. The last time was in 2000, the Jubilee Year, when over a million pilgrims thronged to Turin, including our late Pope, John Paul II. And an even greater number are expected this year, with Pope Benedict XVI himself coming on May 2. The Shroud is truly the most enigmatic relic in the world, and has baffled eminent forensic scientists for years. Top-ranking pathologists have established that the man who was covered in that linen-cloth died from crucifixion, that his body bore the marks of over 700 wounds, and that on his forehead the traces of the crown of thorns are clearly visible. In 1988 a C-14 exam determined that the cloth was produced during the middle ages, but subsequent research has called these findings into doubt, so the exam must be repeated in the future with stricter controls and criteria. The Church has made no comment on the Shroud for it is not a doctrinal matter, but it recognises its value to help us increase in our devotion in honouring the suffering that Our Lord underwent for his sacred Passion. Vatican Secret Archives New light on the Shroud arrived in 2008 with the publication of a book by Frale linking the relic with the Templars, I Templari e la sindone di Cristo. The book has not yet been translated into English. I therefore decided to interview Mrs Frale at her home near Viterbo in central Italy for the benefit of the readers of this magazine, who may have to wait years before reading a translation. Barbara Frale is an engaging 39-year-old, fair-haired woman, and a highly qualified scientist. She is married to an engineer and has two very beautiful children. After graduating in Medieval Archaeology, she went on to specialise in Palaeography, Diplomatics and Archives Administration, and then in Greek Palaeography, and in 2000 obtained a PhD in Historical Research at the Ca’ Foscari University in Venice. She has worked in important archives both in Italy and abroad, and for the last couple of years she is a historian on staff at the Vatican Secret Archives, where the world’s most important historical documents are kept. Dr. Frale, who were the Knights Templars, and why were they exterminated at the beginning of the 14th century? The Knights Templar was a powerful and very wealthy military and religious Order that had the mission of defending pilgrims on their way to the Holy Land. At the beginning of the 14th century Phillip the Fair, the King of France, who was in the grips of a severe economic crisis, came upon the idea of laying his hands on all the riches accumulated by the Order, and orchestrated a vast smear campaign against them. The King’s cronies accused them of idolatry and heresy, and, under pressure from Phillip the Fair, Pope Clement V disbanded the Order in 1312. The French King was thus able to arrest the Templars in his kingdom and initiate legal proceedings against them. The Templars were subjected to the most horrible tortures, and in the end confessed to the charges brought against them, and ended up on the stake. The principal crime levelled against them was that of idolatry. It was said that the Templars venerated a mysterious pagan divinity, the Baphomet. This was some sort of head of a man with a beard, moustache and long hair. However, from the documents I unearthed I was able to show that this accusation was totally groundless. My studies of the trials of the Knights Templar brought to light a document in which Arnaut Sabbatier, a young Frenchman who entered the order in 1287, testified that as part of his initiation he was taken to “a secret place to which only the brothers of the Temple had access”. There he was shown “a long linen cloth on which was impressed the figure of a man,” and he instructed to venerate the image by kissing its feet three times. So what the Templars were actually venerating was none other than the Shroud. They had managed to save the relic from destruction during the Sack of Constantinople in 1204. They had taken it to Europe where it was jealously guarded as a highly prized relic. It had been folded in such a way as to make only the face visible. The Templars, therefore, were not guilty of idolatry, they were devoted to that ‘sacred linen cloth’ where the image of Christ crucified was impressed. Your book also criticises the results of the 1988 C-14 tests. On what grounds? The scientists who conducted that Radiocarbon test on certain specimen of the Shroud concluded that the relic could not have originated prior to 1260, but the documents I unearthed showed that the relic was in existence at least 60 years before that date. For the same reason, the same documents also disprove those who maintain that the Shroud was produced by Leonardo Da Vinci, because Leonardo was born centuries later, in 1452. Mysterious inscriptions Your book also deals with certain inscriptions on the linen cloth. What do they reveal? The inscriptions are found around the face of the man of the Shroud. They cannot be seen through highly sophisticated equipment. The inscriptions are highly reminiscent of graffiti found in the ancient Roman city of Pompeii, and in papyri from the era of Tiberius, the man who was emperor of Rome when Jesus was crucified. Those inscriptions are called ‘traces of transferred writing’, that is, traces of writing impressed on an object (in our case the Shroud) that has been in contact with a written text. The writing is in Hebrew, Greek, Latin and Aramaic. Thanks to computerised reading systems, those traces have been deciphered. Back in 1978 Piero Ugolotti, a chemist, had noted that on the negative of a photo of the Shroud strange signs could be seen that looked like letters. He turned to an expert in ancient languages, Aldo Marastoni, a renowned Latinist, and Marastoni confirmed the existence of Greek and Latin inscriptions all around the face on the Shroud. They are words of the type: ‘Nazarènos’ and ‘in nece (m)’, a Latin expression meaning ‘to death’. On the forehead there are the letters IBEP, which suggests the Greek word for Tiberius (TIBEPIO), as well as other words in Hebrew. These findings have generated great enthusiasm among Shroud scholars, but then the C-14 test dealt the death-blow to all this promising research. In those days, the C-14 test was regarded as practically infallible, much like a DNA test nowadays. The Shroud was dismissed as a fake, and to study it was regarded as a waste of time. Exciting discoveries I have read that the inscriptions were examined by computers using special software. Is that so? Yes, it is. In 1994 research on the Shroud was taken up again as the shortcomings of the C-14 test came to light. Some French scientists stared examining the inscriptions discovered by Piero Ugolotti. Professor André Marion, who teaches at the Institut Superieur d’Optique d’Orsay in Paris, examined the Shroud with the aid of specific software capable of detecting old or ancient writings that are no longer visible to the naked eye. Now, right under the face he found the Greek word ‘HOY’ which could be interpreted as ‘IHOY’. This is the Greek translation of the Semitic original ‘Yeshua’, which stands for ‘Jesus’. This word, when placed next to the one deciphered by Marastoni, forms ‘IHOY NAZAPHNO’ that is ‘Jesus Nazarene’. Professor Marion also found other signs in Greek and Latin placed around the face, and published these findings on a scientific magazine. He then consulted with other specialists from the Sorbona University, who concluded that the inscriptions were from the first Christian centuries, perhaps even from before the third century after Christ. Professor Marion’s studies were continued by other scientists, in particular by the French analyst Professor Thierry Castex, who was able to discern the fragment of a text with a central phrase, which could be translated as ‘we found’ or as ‘because found’. These words bring to mind the accusation which members of the Sanhedrin levelled against Jesus in the presence of Pontius Pilate, “We found this man perverting our nation…” (Luke 23:2). Professor Castex sent me these words and asked for my opinion. I examined them carefully and then sough out the opinion of two renowned scholars of Hebrew. These inscriptions, along with the ones found by Professor Marion, really do give the impression of being the trace of an original document regarding the burial of a person called Jesus of Nazareth, which in the local idiom was ‘Yeshua Nazarani’. My book is a long, detailed and meticulous study of those writings, and I have come to the conclusion that they lead us back to Jerusalem at the time of Emperor Tiberius, who reigned from AD 13 to 37. The inscriptions regard the burial of a man called Yeshua Nazarani. So my conclusion is that, from a historical point of view, there is a plethora of facts connecting the Shroud of Turin to the first thirty years of our era. Are you therefore telling us that the Shroud of Turin really is the original linen cloth that covered the body of Jesus? I am a scientist; it is not my task to determine if that linen cloth actually enveloped the body of the Son of God, if the blood stains on it really are those of the God-Man. My task is to study all the documents regarding the Shroud, to interpret them, to arrange them in systematic order, and then to draw logical conclusions from them. On the Shroud of Turin there are words. If we find a tombstone on which the words Minucio Felice are inscribed, we say that that is the tombstone of Minucio Felice. On the Shroud we have found the words ‘Jesus of Nazareth’, so we are authorised, from a historical point of view, to conclude that that is the shroud of Jesus of Nazareth. Now, to determine if the Jesus of Nazareth that was enveloped in that Shroud is the same individual of whom the Gospels speak is beyond my task and competence as a historical scientist. © 2013 - Il Messaggero di S.Antonio Editrice .... Taken from: http://www.saintanthonyofpadua.net/messaggero/pagina_stampa.asp?R=&ID=485

U.S. Creationists Load Up Again



  

From Robert Sungenis and Dr Hugh Owen

 

Damien,

Hugh's arguments are devastating to your position. I don't see how you can recover from them. I hope and pray that you will see the logic behind them.

Robert Sungenis

 

and

Dear Damien,

Pax Christi!

Thank you for sending me the latest issue of your magazine. The article on Pope Pius XI was especially interesting.

I am sorry that it has taken me so long to reply to your last email. It was hard to know where to begin in replying to your last article on the Flood.

Perhaps the most disheartening thing about the article was its apparent lack of piety. It was hard to imagine that a Catholic man of your intelligence and dedication could write an article so lacking in reverence for the Word of God as it has been understood in the Church from the time of the Apostles.

The Magisterial teaching on Biblical exegesis is quite clear. The Catholic commentator on the Bible is to accept the literal and obvious sense of Scripture, except where reason dictates or necessity requires (Providentissimus Deus).

We are also to revere the Fathers of the Church as the foremost commentators on the Word of God, especially when they all agree in any interpretation of Scripture that pertains to a doctrine of faith or morals (Council of Trent, Vatican I).

The Fathers agree that Genesis is, in the words of the Roman Catechism, a “sacred history.” It follows that the burden of proof is on the exegete who would question the literal historical truth of the Flood account and the plain sense of 2 Peter 3, where St. Peter teaches that the Noachic Flood was a global flood that destroyed the “world that then was.”

As Robert Sungenis pointed out to you in a previous email, St. Peter’s argument in 2 Peter 3 makes no sense if the Noachic Flood was a local flood. He mentions three global events: The creation of the whole world by God’s Word; the destruction of that whole world by the Flood; and the future re-creation of the whole world—the “new heavens and the new earth” through fire:

Scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own passions and saying, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things have continued as they were from the beginning of creation.” They deliberately ignore this fact, that by the word of God heavens existed long ago, and an earth formed out of water and by means of water, through which the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and the earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men (2 Peter 3:3-7) (emphasis added).

In this remarkable prophecy, St. Peter predicted that “in the latter days”—a future time—“scoffers” would arise who would deny God’s supernatural creative action “in the beginning of creation” and at the time of the Noachic Flood, thus casting doubt on His sovereign intervention in the future at the Second Coming of Christ. Enlightened by the Holy Spirit, St. Peter foresaw that the scoffers would predicate their denials on the stability of the natural order—on the grounds that “all things have continued as they were” “since the fathers fell asleep.”

In modern times this principle has, of course, became known as “uniformitarianism,” or “the present is the key to the past.” Just as St. Peter had foretold, “uniformitarianism” became the guiding principle of Charles Lyell, Charles Darwin, and other naturalistic evolutionists who argued that natural scientists could extrapolate from present-day processes in the order of providence all the way back to the beginning of creation. St. Peter foresaw that to champion their evolutionary theory they would have to “deliberately ignore” the fact of the Flood, and, indeed, Darwin wrote in an unpublished manuscript of 1873: “Lyell is most firmly convinced that he has shaken the faith in the Deluge far more efficiently [in his writings on geology] by never having said a word against the Bible than if he had acted otherwise.”[1]It is truly heart-breaking to see you fall into the same error as the compromising theologians of the nineteenth century by evaluating God’s inspired account of the Noachic Flood by the naturalistic standards of unbelieving natural scientists like Lyell, Darwin and Plimer.

It would seem that by “common sense” explanations you mean “naturalistically sensible explanations.” But why should we expect to find explanations for the effects of the Deluge that make sense in terms of present-day natural processes when the Flood was a divinely-orchestrated, unique, never-to-be-repeated event?

 

Do we see animals of all kinds migrating on their own to a central location from every part of the earth today?

 

Do we see Virgin Births today?

 

Does that mean that these events didn’t happen?

In reality, even if one uses an inappropriate naturalistic standard for evaluating the literal historical truth of the Genesis account of the Flood, it still makes much more sense than your local flood hypothesis.

To understand why I say this, please just try to answer the following questions:

 

[AMAIC has numbered these questions to facilitate answering them further on]

 

If the Flood was a local flood, why did Noah spend 100 years building the Ark in the first place? Why didn’t God just tell him to move away, as He told Lot to get out of Sodom? [1]

Why did God send all of the animals to the Ark for safety? Why didn’t He just direct them to safe places elsewhere? [2]

Why was the Ark made big enough to hold all of the different KINDS—not breeds and species—of land vertebrate animals, when a local flood would have made this completely unnecessary? [3]

Why did God tell Noah to take birds on board when they could obviously have flown away from a local flood and survived? [4]

How could the waters have risen to over 20 feet above the “all the high mountains” without covering the earth? [5]

Other questions to ponder in the realm of geology are the following:

If Noah’s Flood was a local flood, why is there evidence of continent-wide deposition of sediment all over the earth? [6]

Why do we find the same sedimentary layers on multiple continents, such as massive chalk, sandstone, and limestone deposits that extend from one continent to another? [7]

Why does C-14 dating of material from every part of the geological column indicate that it was all laid down at the same time? [8]

Why do we find soft tissue and intact DNA which must be of recent deposition in many fossils that are alleged to be tens or hundreds of millions of years old according to mainstream geology? [9]

How do you realistically model an Ice Age without a prior global Flood? [10]

Why would an all-wise, all-loving God allow His Church to teach a completely false account of the early history of the world, based on a literal historical interpretation of His Word, only to allow the same Church to be “enlightened” by men like T.H. Huxley who hated the Catholic Church? [11]

 

I hope and pray that you will use your great talents to build up the faith of your readers and stop sowing unjustified doubts in their minds about God's revelation as it has been understood in and by the Church since the time of the Apostles.

 

Your brother in Christ through the Immaculata,

Hugh Owen

 

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Dear Hugh

I’m glad that you at least found the article on Pope Pius XI “especially interesting”.

On the next page (and others) [in AMAIC Newsletter] you may read more on that same subject, with the issue of ‘Creation Science’ to be addressed by me, yet again, beginning on p. 12.

Yours in Jesus and Mary

Damien.

There’s a Hole in the Ark

 

 

 

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… is the global version of the biblical Flood, as espoused by Hugh and Bob, properly watertight, having no gaping hole in its ‘roof’ which might let in a deluge of problems?

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Og of Bashan was a fearsome giant in the era of Moses (Deuteronomy 3:3), but he also turns up in Jewish legends, anachronistically (about one and a half millennia earlier), at the time of Noah’s Flood.

Though Noah tries to bar Og from the Ark, the cunning giant either manages to ride a unicorn alongside the Ark, taking for himself the food that Noah parcels out to the unicorn, or, Noah actually passes food to Og himself through a hole in the Ark’s roof – the giant having been given a special dispensation by Noah to perch atop the Ark. This, even during the Flood. (With a friend like this ‘Noah’ who need enemies!). 

 

The real biblical Og also had a massive bed:

 

“His iron bed is still in Rabbah of the Ammonites, nine cubits long and four cubits wide,

measured by a man’s forearm” (Deuteronomy 3:11).

 

{Some commentators say that ‘bed’ here should actually be translated as ‘sarcophagus’.

Was King Og the original Procrustes the inn keeper, who made all travellers fit his bed by chopping them or stretching them to size? Probably not. For there is another Jewish legend that it was actually the cruel people of Sodom who had such a ‘Procrustean’ bed – this being perhaps just another case (alongside the many examples given in this MATRIX and Supplement) of Greek appropriation of the Near East, since Sodom well pre-dated any Procrustes of Attica}.

 

Now, is the global (‘Creation Science’) version of the biblical Flood, as espoused by Hugh and Bob, properly watertight, having no gaping hole in its ‘roof’ which might let in a deluge of problems?

Is it accurate, or is it anachronistic, like the Og legend above?

Is it properly biblical, or just an entertaining story like that of Og and the unicorn?

Is it compatible with the original (biblical) account, or yet a further case of western Procrusteanisation of an ancient Near Eastern set of documents (the Flood account having been written by (i) Noah, and by (ii) his three sons: Cf. Genesis 6:9; 10:1)?

Is it realistic, or as fanciful as Og’s unicorn?

Does Hugh’s and Bob’s version float, or should it be, like Og, sealed in an iron sarcophagus and laid permanently to rest?

Since, as the reader noted on p. 8 [of our Newsletter]: “That email from Hugh [Owen] didn’t seem to contain anything you wouldn’t have heard of already …”, and since I have already in previous issues covered most of his queries in detail, I do not want to dwell overmuch on them again.  

 

The ‘Creation Science’ version of the Flood

is neither biblical, realistic or accurate

 

It is neither biblical nor grounded in reality.

 

It reminds me a bit of what I read about some pious Jews who have so exalted a view of Mount Sinai, for instance, that they would never conceive of actually going and searching for it as a real concrete mountain in a particular location. For them Mount Sinai is way too lofty for that sort of profane attitude. It is semi-mythical. 

It is probably something of this kind of mentality that led Byzantine Christians to opt for the impressive mountain, Jebel Musa (in Sinai Peninsula), for Mount Sinai, despite its being a totally unrealistic choice - the Procrustean imposition of a pre-conceived model! The experienced archaeologist, Professor Emmanuel Anati, instead, realistically weighed up all sorts of logistical factors, availability of wells for drinking water, biblical tribes named in association with the Hebrews, relevant archaeology, and so on, to locate a Mount Sinai (viz., Har Karkom) that entirely fitted the biblical data.

Though God is infinite, the Absolute being, the Incarnation is very much rooted in our concrete reality. Much of what Pope John Paul II wrote about as the erroneous approach to the Scriptures by Fundamentalism is therefore relevant to our case:

In his address to the Pontifical Biblical Commission, Pope John Paul II said:

“(The task of Biblical Studies) starts from the concern to understand the meaning of the texts with all the accuracy and precision possible and, thus, in their historical, cultural context. A false idea of God and the incarnation presses a certain number of Christians to take the opposite approach. They tend to believe that, since God is the absolute Being, each of his words has an absolute value, independent of all the conditions of human language. Thus, according to them, there is no room for studying these conditions in order to make distinctions that would relativize the significance of the words. However, that is where the illusion occurs and the mysteries of scriptural inspiration and the incarnation are really rejected, by clinging to a false notion of the Absolute.

The God of the Bible is not an absolute Being who, crushing everything he touches, would suppress all differences and all nuances. On the contrary, he is God the Creator, who created the astonishing variety of beings ‘each according to its kind,’ as the Genesis account says repeatedly (Gn 1). Far from destroying differences, God respects them and makes use of them (cf 1 Cor 12:18, 24, 28). Although he expresses himself in human language, he does not give each expression a uniform value, but uses its possible nuances with extreme flexibility and likewise accepts its limitations. That is what makes the task of exegetes (Biblical scholars) so complex, so necessary and so fascinating!” (page 18)

http://www.saskatoonrcdiocese.com/scripture_resources/catholic_teach_on_scripture.cfm

Hence, Hugh’s accusation is to be expected:

 

…. Perhaps the most disheartening thing about the article was its apparent lack of piety. It was hard to imagine that a Catholic man … could write an article so lacking in reverence for the Word of God as it has been understood in the Church from the time of the Apostles.

The Magisterial teaching on Biblical exegesis is quite clear. The Catholic commentator on the Bible is to accept the literal and obvious sense of Scripture, except where reason dictates or necessity requires (Providentissimus Deus). ….

And Hugh again raises the matter of the sediment, his question [6], thought by ‘Creationists’ to have been deposited by the Noachic Flood, but with six miles of it located beneath the riverine world of Adam in Genesis 2. That is “the literal and obvious sense of Scripture”, since the Bible tells us that that was the nature and scope of the ancient world. And Moses later makes editorial notes to specify that those rivers know to Adam and his contemporaries still constituted the riverine system of Moses’ own world.  

So apparently it was still the world of Noah, since his era came between Adam and Moses, St Peter’s “world that then was” (2 Peter 3).

This is apparently, then, the world that one has to deal with in terms of interpreting the biblical Flood. Not Bob’s and Hugh’s global world that now is.

In fact, it was still the extent of the world as known at the time of Jesus Christ and the Apostles, as attested by the Pentecost event, with people from ‘all the nations under heaven’, which, when itemised, are still of the approximate ancient riverine world, geographically, of Adam, Noah and Moses. Thus Jesus can say of the tiny step, on a global map, of the Queen of the South, as her having come ‘from the ends of the earth’ to visit Solomon. We would not say that!

And, at the time of Og, King Balak of Moab spoke of the Israelites encamped in the plains of Moab as “cover[ing] the face of the earth” (Numbers 22:5).

We definitely would not say that!

But Hugh and Bob anachronistically read globality into the Semitic mind and the Church Fathers (see Hugh’s [2]-[5]): All the animals; all different kinds; the birds; all the mountains; all the earth. That is not ‘logical’!

 

How Long to Build the Ark?

[1] 120 years to build Ark, says Hugh.

Answer: According to one of Hugh’s favourite authorities, though, Answers in Genesis:

 

We would end up with a tentative range of about 55 to 75 years for a reasonable maximum time to build the Ark. Of course, it could be less than this depending on the age that Noah’s sons took wives.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2010/06/01/long-to-build-the-ark

 

Moreover, both Jewish and Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich tradition seem to concur that Noah left off building for long periods of time. Thus Anne Catherine (Life of Jesus Christ):

 

It was long before the ark was completed, for Noe often discontinued it for years at a time. Three times did God warn him to proceed with it. Each time Noe would engage workmen, recommence and again dis­continue in the hope that God would relent. ….

The Ice Age?

[10] How do you realistically model an Ice Age without a prior global Flood?, asks Hugh.

 

Answer: Ever tried growing grapes in an Ice Age (not to mention lying around naked) (Genesis 9:20-21)?

 

Read also:

An Ice Age after the Flood ??
As proposed by some creation scientists !

 

Reference: ICR Impact #361 "Are Polar Ice Sheets Only 4500 Years Old?", June 2003
(http://www.icr.org/newsletters/impact/impactjuly03.html)

"And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply
bring forth abundantly in the earth,and multiply therein.
(Genesis 9:7)

So while the LORD is instructing Noah and his offspring to be fruitful, the scientists at the Institute for Creation Research are saying that He make their life very difficult after the flood by putting them through an Ice Age!

While the LORD in Genesis 8:21-22 says:

"I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake: ...
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, ... shall not cease"

"And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:"
Genesis 9:20

Apparently while still living amongst the "mountains of Ararat"
since the migration of his offspring to
"a plain in the land of Shinar" does not come until Genesis 11:2.

Note that three glaciers (black areas) are shown in the Black/Caspian Sea region on the map below of Eurasia during the ice age maximum (LGM), which is not really a detailed map. Therefore, the task of growing a vineyard amongst the mountains of Ararat in the middle of an ice age would be comparable to growing one now in the valleys amongst the glaciers in Alaska! (P.S. Vineyards are not grown in Alaska)(1)

The following figure [go to original article] shows the climatic condition of Eurasia during the ice age maximum, with the brown area being cold and desert or semi-desert, including the mountainous areas between the Black and Caspian Seas, with glaciers in the higher altitudes (black areas). The green and yellow show areas favorable for human habitation in wet and dry periods, respectively. (Red shows the extended land area due to low sea levels) ….

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(from http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/iceciv.html)

 

Perhaps a more realistic sequence regarding the Ice Age in relation to the Flood would be that as proposed by Pitman and Ryan in their Noah’s Flood:

http://www.pbs.org/saf/1207/features/noah.htm

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The story of Noah and the great flood is one that so permeates our culture that generations of geologists have devoted their lives to looking for evidence of a prehistoric worldwide flood. But it was not until the 1990's that geologists William Ryan and Walter Pitman gathered clues pointing to an actual ancient flood in the Middle East about 7,500 years ago. Sediment core-samples the scientists took from the bottom of the Black Sea revealed sections of once-dry, sun-baked land.

Geologists Walter Pitman and William Ryan were the first to gather evidence that the Black Sea flooded 7500 years ago

These sediments were then covered by sections of uniform mud, strongly suggesting that these plains underwent a long-ago influx of saltwater. Though not worldwide, this cataclysmic event occurred at what could have been a locus of human activity at the time.

In their 1998 book, Noah's Flood: The New Scientific Discoveries about the Event that Changed History, Ryan and Pitman suggest the Black Sea was once a much smaller, land-locked freshwater lake, fed by ancient rivers, and surrounded by fertile plains. Neolithic people, Ryan and Pitman suppose, would have flocked to farm these Eden-like plains to farm them while supplementing their diets with the lake's abundant shellfish.

At this time - about 7,500 [sic] years ago - the global climate was still rapidly warming following the last Ice Age, causing the seas to rise.

Ryan and Pitman hypothesize that, when sea levels rose beyond a critical point, the Mediterranean Sea overflowed, deluging the Black Sea basin with salty water and destroying the fertile plains around the once-shallow freshwater lake.

 

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